Those who try and draw a moral equivalency between a Hamas led Palestine and Israel need to know that if Hamas laid their weapons down today and surrendered there would be no more bloodshed. If Israel laid down theirs and surrendered the bloodshed would multiply a hundred times.
what do you base this assumption on? israeli slogans? palestinaians have "laid their weapons" most of the time during past many decades. but israel has never stopped their ethnic cleansing of the native people of palestine. the reason for this is israel doesnt want peace. their problem is theyve occupied an area with millions of native people. israel has no rights to this land. the entire world has been demanding israel stop their military occupation since 1967. but they wont. instead they seek the slaughter of the native ppl of Palestine, like George custer sought to slaughter native americans.
Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
-To the British Mandate
existed the Ottoman Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Mamlyuk Islamic State of Egypt, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Islamic State of Mamlyuk of Egypt, the Empire of Ayubid existed, not the Palestinian State. Goffrey IV of Bulonsky, known as Godfrey de Bouillon, conquered Jerusalem in 1099
-Before the Empire of Ayubid, there existed the French and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the empires of Omeyad and Fatimid existed, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the empires of the Omeyad and Fatimid, there was the Byzantine Empire, not the Palestinian State. -Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonees State, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Hasmoneysk state, it was the Selevkid state, not the Palestinian state.
-Before the Selevkid Empire, there existed the Empire of Alexander of Macedonia, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Empire of Alexander of Macedonia, there was the Persian Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylon Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Babylon Empire, there existed the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, the Kingdom of Israel existed, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was a theocracy of the twelve knees of Israel, not the Palestinian state.
-Before the twelve generations of Israel's theocracy, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaan cities-empires, not the Palestinian state.
In fact, this piece of earth was everything EXCEPT THE PALESTINE STATE.
This is a brilliant summation of the history of the lands between the river and the sea. The colonizers of most of the Middle East are the Ottoman Turks, who came into existence well after the births of both Jesus and Mohammed.
your comments are so insulting, as are the usual tropes Israelis tell themselves. have you ever wondered why no one else on earth buys the lies you peddle? the brits didnt keep palestinians in a large illegal prison and then start slaughtering them and ethnically cleansing them after the natives object. arabs have been the majority population in palestine for 1000s of years, unlike jewish ppl who had been tiny minority there since 5th century. adding modern israel to mideast was one of worst mistakes of all time becuase israel turned out to be a warmongering fascist state that intentionally perpetuates endless war. i want my $ back. you seem to like this endless nightmare of israeli fascism. i dont.
your comments are meaningless and have nothing to do with the apartheid situation which israel cynicalllly and dishonestly perpetuates. your just another person gaslighting and lying about what every person on earth and can plainly see: israel is a failed state that cant solve its own problems and is dragging the US into a 10000 year war whith ppl who the US should not be flighting with at all
This all make sme wonder what my far Left "idenfitied" and 'trans identified" ex-husband, who is Jewish, is thinking about the younger sister, living Orthodox in Israel for 15 years, whom he has chosen not to speak to. At one time, early in our marriage, he taught the history of the Holocaust to the teen youth group at Beth Elohim, the reform synagogue he was bar mitzvahed at in Evanston, Illinois. Tomorrow, Friday, 13th of October, please keep your eyse open, and observe your surroundings, as the supporters of terror have announced a "day of rage." Anybody remember the "Day of Vengeance" that was hastily called off by the TQIA+ movmeent, after the massacre of Christian schoolchildren in Nashville? There used to be Arab Christains in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, as well as Gaza and West Bank, basically all over the Middle East. They have been exterminated by their Muslim neighbors over the decades.
in my opinion, gender ideology has a lot in common with zionism. both are activist projects by white men to colonize the rights of marginalized groups. zionists seek to colonize the rights of the native ppl of palestine. gender activists seek to colonize the rights of women, kids, gays, dyshoric ppl and others. same activist gaslighting. same white males colonising whatever they want changing laws and enforcing their activism with fascist dictates.
Jewish people settled in what is now Israel by purchasing plots from the owners of the land, who were typically leaders of the Ottoman empire, absentee landowners. This goes back to the 1880s, when these lands were not heavily populated. There was frequent drought, and the Arabs, both Arab Christians and Muslim Arabs, moved about, year by year, according to the economics, drought and the whims of the (mostly Turkish) landowners. Refugee Jews came gradually, escaping from pogroms in Russia and eastern Europe. They did not come with an army--far from it. They settled small villages and barely survived. There were rules about not having sex, so as not to have pregancies, as they did not have enough food. Gradually they developed drip irrigation, drained mosquito infested swamps where no one lived because of malaria and beat the jackals (actual animals who attacked humans) into the mountains. During WW1 the Ottoman Sultan exiled Jews from Jerusalim, where there's been a Jewish presence continually since before Roman times. I knew people who survived this expulsion and somehow managed to stay alive in Constantinople through WW1. The British Mandate came after that, and continued after WW2. The Jewish Brigade was composed of Jewish men who lived in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Tel Aviv, in villages and kibbutzim and fought alongside the Allies in WW2. Would you have prefered the Nazis and Hirohito to have won WW2? Then the UN voted in 1947 to create the state of Israel. "Palestinians" like Edward Said were often from generations of migration all through the Levant, from Egypt, in the crescent, to Lebanon and Syria. Said grew up in Egypt but claimed to be a Palestinian. This is for the economic and agricultural reasons I mentioned above. The Ottomans did not develop the area surrounding Jerusalem as a solely Muslim area during their rule, as there were many Christins there, and pilgrims came from all over the world. Gradually, since 1948, the Maronite Christians in Lebanon and the Arab Christians in what is now the West Bank and Gaza, were killed or forced to leave by their Muslim extremist neighbors. There was previously much more Arab Christian presence in the entire area going back to early Christianity, but the rise of Islam, with its practice since the year 950, of laying siege to cities from Turkey and down around through North African countries of Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt (have you heard of the Christian Copts in Egypt? A former head of the UN was one) and further east along what was known as the Silk Road led to forced conversions to Islam of entire regions. Look up the history of the fall of the Roman Empire and the Silk Road, if you are unfamiliar. Jews have been in the land of Israel for more than 3,000 years, whereas Islam was invented in about 932. Christianity dates back to about the year 32. You, like many in your generation are sadly misinformed and ignorant of history and as well, you are brainwashed and indoctrinated. Your words about Jewish people remind me exactly of the captured, indoctrinated doctrine of "trans" ideology. Would you rather have risked getting polio and being paralized, or would you rather that Drs. Salk and Sabine, both Jews, worked for years to create a safe method to eradicate polio. I am not going to reply to any more of your comments. I will not however, delete this brief but accurate history of the Middle East.
cant read all this sorry. yes im certain some did as you say. that doesnt change fact that israel is now keeping millions in an illegal prison for the past 55 years and are actively ethnic cleansing millions of natives, slaughtering them in fact. isreal is a failed state. they havent figured out how to get past their birth. the US had a big problem with our origin as well: slavery. it wasnt easy but the US overcame and outlawed slavery. israel is going in the other direction. instead of freeing the slaves they are choosing to murder them. what if during the civil war some dummies started mentioning about how in the year 1700 the southern ppl were so great and nice. irrelavant.
Jenny, I, too, immediately thought “chickens coming home to roost” on 9/11. Since then, I have continued to learn more about terrorism and Islamic terrorism in particular. I don’t believe that Islam has to lead to terrorism, but there are plenty of texts that can be used to justify it if one is so inclined. Children in Gaza learn to hate Jews, not the state of Israel. We in the West might think we can finesse a line between anti-Zionism and antisemitism, but the Palestinians who are intent on eradicating Israel care nothing of the distinction. Hence Charlie Hebdo and numerous other atrocities outside of the Middle East. We really, truly do need to acknowledge deeply entrenched antisemitism. Thanks for the post.
Anti-semitism is the world's second oldest prejudice! It's shocking to me how open people here in Ireland are about it. Truly shocking. They say things no decent human would ever think of saying about another group of people.
whats going on in israel has nothing to do with anti semitism. its cause by israel unable to figure out what to do about the millions of native ppl they have kept in a prison for past 55 years. since they have no answers and no idea how to operate as an actual country, theyre only solution is illegally performing ethnic cleansing of native ppl. israel isnt the good guy here.
“ Western women lefties spend too much hanging out with soy boys and male feminists, and are clearly fetishising Islamic militants as a result. ”
The day those Islamic militant get to live out *their* fantasies about western women lefties, soy boys and male feminists won’t be Instagram friendly…. Not for the duck lipped posers, anyhow.
The filth that invaded last weekend *did* torture and murder a grandmother (in front of her grandchildren) and live streamed it over her phone’s link to her own social media account. It may just show up on your friend’s IG yet….
Oh she was gleefully sharing 'the 40 dead babies aren't real!' and 'the dead girl with the broken legs is alive and be treated in a Gaza hospital!' -- as if she could possibly know any of that. Imagine being so dumb that you think these perpetrators are like, really hot heroes? It beggars belief.
your comments are racist. from 2008 to 2020 israel killed 6000 palestnians. palestinians killed 250 israelis during this time.
but these actions cant be considered equivilent. israel is the oppressor illegally inprisoning and robbing land from native ppl. palestianians are defending themselves from a military slaughter similar to george custer. when custer was slaughtering native americans. there was plenty of simpletons like you making similar racist statements.
Hahaha - you’re slinging meaningless epithets. First, Palestinian isn’t a race, you utter ideologue.
Second, the knee jerk, copy-pasted “that’s racist!!!! tantrum has lost even the slightest bit of meaning to anyone with a functioning neuron left. You ranting fools have destroyed it.
Finally, someone who writes “gender ideology beyond the moat “ is automatically disqualified from any reasoned socio-political discussion.
palestians are arabs. arabs have been living in palestine for 1000s of years. this is unlike jewish ppl, who have had only a small % of people in this area since 5th century. the white who are ethincally cleasing the native arabs are from NY, LA and europe = colonizers. yes colonization is a racist endevor. this is what isreal is doing. denial is difficult
You would definitely know about denial, Kyle. What a wild twisted impression.
You know who are also arabs? Egyptians. Who have locked down their borders with Palestine. Self-hating Arabs? Hahaha - you people truly are a joke. (You would also do with learning to use a dictionary.)
ive simply pointed out what israel doesnt want you to know. 1. palestinians are in a jail, a jail that is illegal. theyve been trapped in this jail for past 55 years. 2. israel is performing ethnic cleansing. 3. israel wants war, it benefits from war. thats why they will never stop their war mongering and oppression of innocent people. 4. the people of US are funding this illegal effort. US foreign policy is effected away from the interest of the US. israel is a white elephant that briefly had a cold war justification but that justification expired long ago.
5. you havent countered any of these facts. you cant. instead you name call. congrats.
If there are colonizers it's the so called fake palestinians!!!! Those types are actually Saudis, Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians pick your favorite, almost none of them did really live where the Jews lived for thousands of years and were then only PARTLY for a while expelled from their native country! Get a life and get over those facts, you moron!!!! The Jews won't go anywhere, you will die, but the Jews will live forever in their homeland, so who cares about you?! No one could exterminate the Jews and believe me also your BS won't change that!!!!!!!!! You envious little prick!!!!!!!!!
I find myself intermittently sleepless since the genocidal attack by Hamas. At 3am I read this. I currently dread seeing friends that have consistently proven themselves too ideologically submissive to apprehend and revile the terror. My parents taught me to “not discuss politics, sex, or religion with friends”, as this leads to unnecessary divisiveness, but I don’t think I can look some of these people in the eyes without them seeing my anger toward and fear of them. Thank you for putting to paper a reality and perspective I share. It gives me hope.
The left and the right have abandoned the Armenians. Where has the uproar and outrage been as they battle against the racism and genocidal hatred from the Azeri’s and Turks?
Jasmine, you make a good point. Thomas Sowell talks about this in his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, but he was the first (and maybe the last) person I have come across who delved into it. But you are right, the Armenian suffering is rarely spoken about.
As always, this is beautifully written and thoughtful. But I don't agree with what I believe to be your main thesis, which is that support for Palestinian rights is a necessarily leftist position. I am not a leftist, and I don't agree with the principles of the contemporary left, because I do see their movement and rhetoric as fundamentally based in what Jordan Peterson calls the "spirit of Cain," i.e. resentment. I do not believe that blacks and women in the West are "oppressed." And I believe that the coddling of standard mascots of the left in America does them no good in the end. If anything blacks in America are victims of a moral orientation that discourages advancement and success.
But what's happening in Palestine seems very different to me. I am not a religious person, but I understand the psychological power of religion and respect religious behavior and attitudes when they do not infringe upon the rights of others. As I see it, the political right in Israel is driven by religious thinking that has led to the colonization of lands that were never meant to be designated as part of the Israeli state. These lands are seen as "Jewish" because of essentially religious (dogmatic irrational) beliefs on the part of many powerful and influential Israelis. This orientation is not liberal or modern or democratic. It's tribal. It has resulted in the suffering of generations of Palestinians who, unlike American blacks, really do not enjoy equal rights or equal potentialities for their lives. This is not to justify the behavior of those who commit violence, this is merely to say that these people have some reason to be angry. We should be trying to understand what is happening. Is unconditional support for Israel really benefitting Americans? Is it really benefitting Israelis?
Moral condemnation is easy and very emotionally satisfying. Understanding is not nearly so gratifying. Here's what I see: much of the same moral cowardice in the West that prevents people from stepping out of line when it comes to "woke" ideology, i.e, calling bullshit on the systemic racism narrative, is here in the fear of people from criticizing Israeli POLICIES. Don't want to seem anti-semitic do ya?
So for me this essay is coming from a kinda leftist place.
Thank you for this thoughtful disagreement -- but what I'm calling for is neither moral condemnation nor just understanding, it's moral understanding. Because intellectual understanding is often just rationalisation, especially in the face of horror.
I do get what you mean about people being called anti-semitic for criticising Israel, and maybe that does happen. But I have never, ever, ever heard people openly call for the murder of blacks, Arabs, gays, women -- and I have with Jews. To my face! There is something almost mystical (protean, as I say above, quoting my dad) about the hatred of Jews that when you understand its existence you also understand that Israel is a necessity.
Also I don't think that religious ideas are irrational, though they can be I suppose. And neither is the danger Jews face the result of some ancient blood feud, that's incorrect - see my point about Germany in the run up to Hitler.
Thank you for the response. I am not sure what you mean exactly by "moral understanding." When you speak of intellectual understanding as a rationalization, I think of Jonathan Haidt's work in moral psychology, in particular his book, The Righteous Mind, in which he argues that our intellectual reasoning is often a rationalization of underlying moral orientations (the Elephant leading the rider), a conceptualization that I find highly persuasive. It is indeed very difficult, due to the inherent psychological dynamics of the human mind, to "reason" effectively when underlying moral instincts and culturally-driven moral impulses are at play. But that does not mean it is impossible, or that we should abandon the attempt to think critically and rationally. Because decisions and policies have consequences that are concrete and very different.
The problem with "moral understanding" is that may lead to unintended consequences that are very bad and very real. I could provide many examples; here is one that may fall into our mutual political wheelhouse. Many people would say that we should support Black Lives Matter because of a "moral understanding." What does that mean? For most uninformed liberals and leftists, it's essentially some nebulous appreciation of the wrongness of racism, etc. However, the claim that American police are disproportionately killing or targeting blacks is not supported by a rigorous statistical analysis (I teach math). The consequences of supporting the BLM narrative in the name of "moral understanding" has been disastrous for blacks, who suffer a disproportionate amount of violent crime and are thus experiencing an increase in murder rates following the pulling back of police officers who don't like being called racists nor want to risk going to jail for life in case their life-risking efforts to protect black crime victims blows up in their faces.
A lot of people seem to be viewing the events in Israel in very oversimplified terms. You argue that anti-semitism requires an Israeli state because many people want to kill Jews. Maybe so. But concentrating these targets of irrational hatred within a very concentrated area poses some additional risks to these people, and makes the decisions and policies of their leaders potentially very consequential. Hamas can't kill as many Jews if they were to attack the Upper West Side New York, let's say. Jews are more dispersed here.
The "moral understanding" you seem to be citing in this discussion, as far as I can tell, involves the same sort of nebulous appreciation of the evils of anti-semitism as BLM does for the evils of racism. It's a feeling . . . and a very gratifying feeling. I believe that religious maniacs are driving Israel into greater danger. There are many Muslims in the world who do not like to see their Islamic bretheren treated the way Palestinians are treated in Gaza and the West Bank. If not for a "moral understanding" about the evils of anti-semitism, maybe better policies would prevail in that region, leading to a two-state solution that would be better for everybody. But a "moral understanding" leads to our unconditional support for policies that only continue to prolong and exacerbate this situation, and put many Israeli (and their American supporters) at greater risk. We live in a world in which nukes are loose.
Thank you for another well written and thoughtful article. I’m also enjoying reading the very well educated responses, and I’m equally as apalled by the clearly indoctrinated left, leaning responses. One particular writer has clearly never set foot out of the United States let alone been to Israel, or the West Bank (I have). The infiltration of these radical left views throughout all of our universities and colleges, and now seeping into our elementary, middle and high schools, is frightening. How can any society function on such a one-sided mentality?
The left is actually crazy, and are the political manifestation individuals with cluster B personality disorder. There is no room in their world for any "victims" other than themselves. It is a form of narcissistic personality disorder.
check out Ginger Coy's stack "concerning narcissism" she hits the nail on the head.
whatever the author thinks the "left" was or is doesnt change the fact that modern israel hasnt figured out how to discontinue their illegal occupation of millions of native Palestinian ppl. due to this failure, israel has instead decided to ethnically cleanse millions of Palestinians from their homeland via george custer style tacics. this is the value you want liberals to support? white people from US and europe slaughtering the native people of palestine who have been the majority population in palestine for 1000s of years? jews havent had any significant population in palestine since the 5th century, that is until truman allowed a small group of jewish activists to set up shop in palestine. we now know that was a huge mistake. truman couldnt have known israel would morph into a right wing fascist state that 75 years later continues to hold millions of native ppl in an endless apartheid and routinely starve them, burn their olive trees and murder their moms and dads.
WW2 was tough for a lot of people. yes, it was devastating for jewish ppl as well. but the natives of palestine had nothing to do with that.
from 2008 to 2020 , israel killed 6000 native arabs. during this same time palestians killed 250 israelis. all deaths are bad. but it cant be said the israelis are acting in self defence. israel continues its war against the native ppl becuase it has decided to rob the land rights of the natives. what israel is doing is illegal. so they poke the navives so effect desperate people to strike back so isalrael can claim to be the victim. no one is buying it, except right wing nuts. israel is the oppressor. israel can stop this war any time it wants. it doesnt want to. this is an ethnic cleansing campaign. israel wants the land. they need the natives gone and dont care how
Kyle, it is white liberals like yourself (I assume you're white with a name like Kyle Reese) that are the most ignorant and RACIST people in the history of planet earth. First of all, Israel is not made of just "White" Jews from Europe and the US. The majority of Israelis are now either mixed with or descended from Middle Eastern Jews from Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Yemen, Egypt, Afghanistan, Kurdistan and the Gulf Arab states.
The big problem with you White Liberal dummies (besides not being able to take your shit filled heads out of your asses) is that you assume Middle Easterners are either all Muslims and/or need to be coddled by you and your liberal intellectual friends, similar to the protection required by children from their parents. There has always been a continuous community of Jews in what is today called Israel, all the way through the end of Ottoman rule. There was also a large Jewish community in Safavid Persia, a Shia monarchy that carried out regular pogroms against its Jewish minority, a policy that continued well into the Qajar Dynasty.
After the state of Israel was formed in 1948, the Arab states, especially in places such as Iraq, either expelled or massacred their fellow brown Jews, forcing them to take refuge in Israel. In the aftermath of the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt in 2011, there were numerous attacks against the Churches of the Coptic Christian community to which there was little response from the West due to influence of Leftist shit brained academics, policy-makers, and so called journalists. When ISIS took control of huge swaths of Syria and Iraq in 2014, Christian minority communities such as the Assyrians and Chaldeans were massacred. This was on top of the rape/massacre/enslavement of the Yazidi population under ISIS control.
Unlike the Jews, the Christians and Yazidis did not control a territory for themselves in the Middle East, which left them at the mercy of Nietzschean leftist controlled governments in the West. Since the New Left has ZERO empathy for anyone except those they deem worthy of their victimhood narrative, these communities were left to perish. Suffice it to say that there has rarely been a more USELESS group of human beings in history than Western Liberals/Progressive. Now go Fuck Off and stop commenting on issues you know NOTHING about you little child.
Hahahaha, it's useless to argue with them. They're completely indoctrinated. Show them facts & you get emotion & victimhood back. To be a progressive, you have to suspend disbelief all the time-----they believe in verifiable lies from stem to stern. All of them. ALL PROGRESSIVES=SHIT FOR BRAINS
I agree dear Alice, but it"s time for us to start defecating on them the way they have been crapping on civilized norms of human behavior since the 60s. No mercy for Shit Brains ;)
Yes it's time to fight back and fight hard, I have had enough of that BS!!!! Time for them to understand that they are the most morally bankrupt people that have faced the earth since recent times!!!! It is time that we won't tolerate anymore all the lies and this bigotry on the Left!!!!!!
Javani - check your history. last tym any significant # of jews lived in palestine was 5th century, until truman set up a small outpost in 1945. so what if some small amount of jewish ppl have lived in this area? whats even the purpose of saying that? arabs have been the majority in palestine for past 1000s of years.
its also not relevant to list all the national origin of ppl who live israel. how does this argue anything? any person in any US city could throw a rock and said rock would be near ppl of even more diverse national origin. so what? the fact remains its whites from NY, LA Europe who are illegally kicking native pll off land they have no right to and performing ethnic cleansing. israelis are white colonists jist the same as other white colonists throughout history. thats not a liberal idea. thats the fact of whats occuring. your statements are the same tired propaganda israel has used to justify its illegal actions. i dont dispute israel has land rights. but they dont have a right to an endless war they unquestionably benefit from.
nothing in your lame screed of meaningless irrelevant info changes that. yes, before the internet israel was able to con ppl with all the meaningless facts you site.
the US tax payer has inherited the white elephant of israel. this isnt about sympathizing with one group over the next. its the reality that keeping millions of ppl in an apartheid situation for 55 years is wrong. ethnic cleansing is wrong. israeli occupation of west bank and gaza is wrong. israeli lamd grabs are illedgal and wrong. im a US citizen. i am paying for israeli crimes. im tired of doing that.
so what? israel is primarily white colonizers slaughterng the native ppl , like every other colonization effort throughout history. what israel is doing is ethnic cleansing of native ppl. its a genocide. the "i have a black friend" comment scores 20000 on a lameness scale of 10, just like all the other tired propaganda pro israel ppl use.
israel may have been an ok idea at some point. but they only know to make war. they dont know how to make peace.
spare me your insults. what a joke. have you ever considered you havent gotten an accurate picture of this history since your hearing only one side of the story? i have no actual interest in this issue at all. i live in west US. your more likely to be full of crap than me
The Arabs started this war and I talk about the last century now and the Israelis will end it and the Israelis will win if you like it or not. Stop spreading your lies and fake ideology, it's disgusting, you morally bankrupt piece of shit that does not know what is right and wrong!!!!!!
You need to improve your history knowledge before writing such nonsense. I notice you haven’t uttered a word of regret over the barbarism displayed by the Hamas monsters but then with a brain the size of a walnut you wouldn’t know how to.
"I am extremely sorry for all those who die, as in all wars.
I am sorry even for the deaths of individual Israeli soldiers, and more so for all the innocents who died and are now dying.
But I will not condemn Hamas.
I do not condemn Hamas because the resistance of the Palestinian people is a reflex response to their slow genocide.
Yes, it is an inchoate and violent response. Of course, I wish it did not have innocent victims.
The people I do condemn are the political class internationally who, with one voice, put out statements supporting “Israel’s right to self-defence.” A right they grant to the oppressor but deny to the oppressed.
Those who try and draw a moral equivalency between a Hamas led Palestine and Israel need to know that if Hamas laid their weapons down today and surrendered there would be no more bloodshed. If Israel laid down theirs and surrendered the bloodshed would multiply a hundred times.
Yes, this sums it up for me too.
what do you base this assumption on? israeli slogans? palestinaians have "laid their weapons" most of the time during past many decades. but israel has never stopped their ethnic cleansing of the native people of palestine. the reason for this is israel doesnt want peace. their problem is theyve occupied an area with millions of native people. israel has no rights to this land. the entire world has been demanding israel stop their military occupation since 1967. but they wont. instead they seek the slaughter of the native ppl of Palestine, like George custer sought to slaughter native americans.
A little bit of history
Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
-To the British Mandate
existed the Ottoman Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Mamlyuk Islamic State of Egypt, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Islamic State of Mamlyuk of Egypt, the Empire of Ayubid existed, not the Palestinian State. Goffrey IV of Bulonsky, known as Godfrey de Bouillon, conquered Jerusalem in 1099
-Before the Empire of Ayubid, there existed the French and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the empires of Omeyad and Fatimid existed, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the empires of the Omeyad and Fatimid, there was the Byzantine Empire, not the Palestinian State. -Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonees State, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Hasmoneysk state, it was the Selevkid state, not the Palestinian state.
-Before the Selevkid Empire, there existed the Empire of Alexander of Macedonia, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Empire of Alexander of Macedonia, there was the Persian Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylon Empire, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Babylon Empire, there existed the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, the Kingdom of Israel existed, not the Palestinian State.
-Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was a theocracy of the twelve knees of Israel, not the Palestinian state.
-Before the twelve generations of Israel's theocracy, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaan cities-empires, not the Palestinian state.
In fact, this piece of earth was everything EXCEPT THE PALESTINE STATE.
this is so good, I am stealing this :) !!
This is a brilliant summation of the history of the lands between the river and the sea. The colonizers of most of the Middle East are the Ottoman Turks, who came into existence well after the births of both Jesus and Mohammed.
your comments are so insulting, as are the usual tropes Israelis tell themselves. have you ever wondered why no one else on earth buys the lies you peddle? the brits didnt keep palestinians in a large illegal prison and then start slaughtering them and ethnically cleansing them after the natives object. arabs have been the majority population in palestine for 1000s of years, unlike jewish ppl who had been tiny minority there since 5th century. adding modern israel to mideast was one of worst mistakes of all time becuase israel turned out to be a warmongering fascist state that intentionally perpetuates endless war. i want my $ back. you seem to like this endless nightmare of israeli fascism. i dont.
your comments are meaningless and have nothing to do with the apartheid situation which israel cynicalllly and dishonestly perpetuates. your just another person gaslighting and lying about what every person on earth and can plainly see: israel is a failed state that cant solve its own problems and is dragging the US into a 10000 year war whith ppl who the US should not be flighting with at all
Are you making an attempt on the world lying record?
Don’t use word like ethnic cleansing, fascism and slaughter until you know what they mean. And stop being a twat.
Favorite comment this weekend.
we know what they mean. its what israel is doing.
its not what Israel doing. you are a liar
This all make sme wonder what my far Left "idenfitied" and 'trans identified" ex-husband, who is Jewish, is thinking about the younger sister, living Orthodox in Israel for 15 years, whom he has chosen not to speak to. At one time, early in our marriage, he taught the history of the Holocaust to the teen youth group at Beth Elohim, the reform synagogue he was bar mitzvahed at in Evanston, Illinois. Tomorrow, Friday, 13th of October, please keep your eyse open, and observe your surroundings, as the supporters of terror have announced a "day of rage." Anybody remember the "Day of Vengeance" that was hastily called off by the TQIA+ movmeent, after the massacre of Christian schoolchildren in Nashville? There used to be Arab Christains in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, as well as Gaza and West Bank, basically all over the Middle East. They have been exterminated by their Muslim neighbors over the decades.
in my opinion, gender ideology has a lot in common with zionism. both are activist projects by white men to colonize the rights of marginalized groups. zionists seek to colonize the rights of the native ppl of palestine. gender activists seek to colonize the rights of women, kids, gays, dyshoric ppl and others. same activist gaslighting. same white males colonising whatever they want changing laws and enforcing their activism with fascist dictates.
Jewish people settled in what is now Israel by purchasing plots from the owners of the land, who were typically leaders of the Ottoman empire, absentee landowners. This goes back to the 1880s, when these lands were not heavily populated. There was frequent drought, and the Arabs, both Arab Christians and Muslim Arabs, moved about, year by year, according to the economics, drought and the whims of the (mostly Turkish) landowners. Refugee Jews came gradually, escaping from pogroms in Russia and eastern Europe. They did not come with an army--far from it. They settled small villages and barely survived. There were rules about not having sex, so as not to have pregancies, as they did not have enough food. Gradually they developed drip irrigation, drained mosquito infested swamps where no one lived because of malaria and beat the jackals (actual animals who attacked humans) into the mountains. During WW1 the Ottoman Sultan exiled Jews from Jerusalim, where there's been a Jewish presence continually since before Roman times. I knew people who survived this expulsion and somehow managed to stay alive in Constantinople through WW1. The British Mandate came after that, and continued after WW2. The Jewish Brigade was composed of Jewish men who lived in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Tel Aviv, in villages and kibbutzim and fought alongside the Allies in WW2. Would you have prefered the Nazis and Hirohito to have won WW2? Then the UN voted in 1947 to create the state of Israel. "Palestinians" like Edward Said were often from generations of migration all through the Levant, from Egypt, in the crescent, to Lebanon and Syria. Said grew up in Egypt but claimed to be a Palestinian. This is for the economic and agricultural reasons I mentioned above. The Ottomans did not develop the area surrounding Jerusalem as a solely Muslim area during their rule, as there were many Christins there, and pilgrims came from all over the world. Gradually, since 1948, the Maronite Christians in Lebanon and the Arab Christians in what is now the West Bank and Gaza, were killed or forced to leave by their Muslim extremist neighbors. There was previously much more Arab Christian presence in the entire area going back to early Christianity, but the rise of Islam, with its practice since the year 950, of laying siege to cities from Turkey and down around through North African countries of Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt (have you heard of the Christian Copts in Egypt? A former head of the UN was one) and further east along what was known as the Silk Road led to forced conversions to Islam of entire regions. Look up the history of the fall of the Roman Empire and the Silk Road, if you are unfamiliar. Jews have been in the land of Israel for more than 3,000 years, whereas Islam was invented in about 932. Christianity dates back to about the year 32. You, like many in your generation are sadly misinformed and ignorant of history and as well, you are brainwashed and indoctrinated. Your words about Jewish people remind me exactly of the captured, indoctrinated doctrine of "trans" ideology. Would you rather have risked getting polio and being paralized, or would you rather that Drs. Salk and Sabine, both Jews, worked for years to create a safe method to eradicate polio. I am not going to reply to any more of your comments. I will not however, delete this brief but accurate history of the Middle East.
cant read all this sorry. yes im certain some did as you say. that doesnt change fact that israel is now keeping millions in an illegal prison for the past 55 years and are actively ethnic cleansing millions of natives, slaughtering them in fact. isreal is a failed state. they havent figured out how to get past their birth. the US had a big problem with our origin as well: slavery. it wasnt easy but the US overcame and outlawed slavery. israel is going in the other direction. instead of freeing the slaves they are choosing to murder them. what if during the civil war some dummies started mentioning about how in the year 1700 the southern ppl were so great and nice. irrelavant.
where do you get your lies from?? Ignorance? Stupidity?? Or Anti-Jewishness??? Pick your reasons as its one of the three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jenny, I, too, immediately thought “chickens coming home to roost” on 9/11. Since then, I have continued to learn more about terrorism and Islamic terrorism in particular. I don’t believe that Islam has to lead to terrorism, but there are plenty of texts that can be used to justify it if one is so inclined. Children in Gaza learn to hate Jews, not the state of Israel. We in the West might think we can finesse a line between anti-Zionism and antisemitism, but the Palestinians who are intent on eradicating Israel care nothing of the distinction. Hence Charlie Hebdo and numerous other atrocities outside of the Middle East. We really, truly do need to acknowledge deeply entrenched antisemitism. Thanks for the post.
Anti-semitism is the world's second oldest prejudice! It's shocking to me how open people here in Ireland are about it. Truly shocking. They say things no decent human would ever think of saying about another group of people.
whats going on in israel has nothing to do with anti semitism. its cause by israel unable to figure out what to do about the millions of native ppl they have kept in a prison for past 55 years. since they have no answers and no idea how to operate as an actual country, theyre only solution is illegally performing ethnic cleansing of native ppl. israel isnt the good guy here.
Natives my ass, you parrott, stop spreading lies you idiot!!!!!!!!
“ Western women lefties spend too much hanging out with soy boys and male feminists, and are clearly fetishising Islamic militants as a result. ”
The day those Islamic militant get to live out *their* fantasies about western women lefties, soy boys and male feminists won’t be Instagram friendly…. Not for the duck lipped posers, anyhow.
The filth that invaded last weekend *did* torture and murder a grandmother (in front of her grandchildren) and live streamed it over her phone’s link to her own social media account. It may just show up on your friend’s IG yet….
Oh she was gleefully sharing 'the 40 dead babies aren't real!' and 'the dead girl with the broken legs is alive and be treated in a Gaza hospital!' -- as if she could possibly know any of that. Imagine being so dumb that you think these perpetrators are like, really hot heroes? It beggars belief.
your comments are racist. from 2008 to 2020 israel killed 6000 palestnians. palestinians killed 250 israelis during this time.
but these actions cant be considered equivilent. israel is the oppressor illegally inprisoning and robbing land from native ppl. palestianians are defending themselves from a military slaughter similar to george custer. when custer was slaughtering native americans. there was plenty of simpletons like you making similar racist statements.
Hahaha - you’re slinging meaningless epithets. First, Palestinian isn’t a race, you utter ideologue.
Second, the knee jerk, copy-pasted “that’s racist!!!! tantrum has lost even the slightest bit of meaning to anyone with a functioning neuron left. You ranting fools have destroyed it.
Finally, someone who writes “gender ideology beyond the moat “ is automatically disqualified from any reasoned socio-political discussion.
palestians are arabs. arabs have been living in palestine for 1000s of years. this is unlike jewish ppl, who have had only a small % of people in this area since 5th century. the white who are ethincally cleasing the native arabs are from NY, LA and europe = colonizers. yes colonization is a racist endevor. this is what isreal is doing. denial is difficult
You would definitely know about denial, Kyle. What a wild twisted impression.
You know who are also arabs? Egyptians. Who have locked down their borders with Palestine. Self-hating Arabs? Hahaha - you people truly are a joke. (You would also do with learning to use a dictionary.)
ive simply pointed out what israel doesnt want you to know. 1. palestinians are in a jail, a jail that is illegal. theyve been trapped in this jail for past 55 years. 2. israel is performing ethnic cleansing. 3. israel wants war, it benefits from war. thats why they will never stop their war mongering and oppression of innocent people. 4. the people of US are funding this illegal effort. US foreign policy is effected away from the interest of the US. israel is a white elephant that briefly had a cold war justification but that justification expired long ago.
5. you havent countered any of these facts. you cant. instead you name call. congrats.
LIES LIES LIES!!!!!!!
If there are colonizers it's the so called fake palestinians!!!! Those types are actually Saudis, Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians pick your favorite, almost none of them did really live where the Jews lived for thousands of years and were then only PARTLY for a while expelled from their native country! Get a life and get over those facts, you moron!!!! The Jews won't go anywhere, you will die, but the Jews will live forever in their homeland, so who cares about you?! No one could exterminate the Jews and believe me also your BS won't change that!!!!!!!!! You envious little prick!!!!!!!!!
I find myself intermittently sleepless since the genocidal attack by Hamas. At 3am I read this. I currently dread seeing friends that have consistently proven themselves too ideologically submissive to apprehend and revile the terror. My parents taught me to “not discuss politics, sex, or religion with friends”, as this leads to unnecessary divisiveness, but I don’t think I can look some of these people in the eyes without them seeing my anger toward and fear of them. Thank you for putting to paper a reality and perspective I share. It gives me hope.
I'm glad to offer some small bit of comfort, thank you.
The left and the right have abandoned the Armenians. Where has the uproar and outrage been as they battle against the racism and genocidal hatred from the Azeri’s and Turks?
Jasmine, you make a good point. Thomas Sowell talks about this in his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, but he was the first (and maybe the last) person I have come across who delved into it. But you are right, the Armenian suffering is rarely spoken about.
I'll have to revisit Sowell's books, it's been a while and I remember him mentioning Armenia but not the exact details.
Boom.
Awaken the woke.
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse..."
(Quote from God regarding Israel in Genesis 12:3)
As always, this is beautifully written and thoughtful. But I don't agree with what I believe to be your main thesis, which is that support for Palestinian rights is a necessarily leftist position. I am not a leftist, and I don't agree with the principles of the contemporary left, because I do see their movement and rhetoric as fundamentally based in what Jordan Peterson calls the "spirit of Cain," i.e. resentment. I do not believe that blacks and women in the West are "oppressed." And I believe that the coddling of standard mascots of the left in America does them no good in the end. If anything blacks in America are victims of a moral orientation that discourages advancement and success.
But what's happening in Palestine seems very different to me. I am not a religious person, but I understand the psychological power of religion and respect religious behavior and attitudes when they do not infringe upon the rights of others. As I see it, the political right in Israel is driven by religious thinking that has led to the colonization of lands that were never meant to be designated as part of the Israeli state. These lands are seen as "Jewish" because of essentially religious (dogmatic irrational) beliefs on the part of many powerful and influential Israelis. This orientation is not liberal or modern or democratic. It's tribal. It has resulted in the suffering of generations of Palestinians who, unlike American blacks, really do not enjoy equal rights or equal potentialities for their lives. This is not to justify the behavior of those who commit violence, this is merely to say that these people have some reason to be angry. We should be trying to understand what is happening. Is unconditional support for Israel really benefitting Americans? Is it really benefitting Israelis?
Moral condemnation is easy and very emotionally satisfying. Understanding is not nearly so gratifying. Here's what I see: much of the same moral cowardice in the West that prevents people from stepping out of line when it comes to "woke" ideology, i.e, calling bullshit on the systemic racism narrative, is here in the fear of people from criticizing Israeli POLICIES. Don't want to seem anti-semitic do ya?
So for me this essay is coming from a kinda leftist place.
Thank you for this thoughtful disagreement -- but what I'm calling for is neither moral condemnation nor just understanding, it's moral understanding. Because intellectual understanding is often just rationalisation, especially in the face of horror.
I do get what you mean about people being called anti-semitic for criticising Israel, and maybe that does happen. But I have never, ever, ever heard people openly call for the murder of blacks, Arabs, gays, women -- and I have with Jews. To my face! There is something almost mystical (protean, as I say above, quoting my dad) about the hatred of Jews that when you understand its existence you also understand that Israel is a necessity.
Also I don't think that religious ideas are irrational, though they can be I suppose. And neither is the danger Jews face the result of some ancient blood feud, that's incorrect - see my point about Germany in the run up to Hitler.
Thank you for the response. I am not sure what you mean exactly by "moral understanding." When you speak of intellectual understanding as a rationalization, I think of Jonathan Haidt's work in moral psychology, in particular his book, The Righteous Mind, in which he argues that our intellectual reasoning is often a rationalization of underlying moral orientations (the Elephant leading the rider), a conceptualization that I find highly persuasive. It is indeed very difficult, due to the inherent psychological dynamics of the human mind, to "reason" effectively when underlying moral instincts and culturally-driven moral impulses are at play. But that does not mean it is impossible, or that we should abandon the attempt to think critically and rationally. Because decisions and policies have consequences that are concrete and very different.
The problem with "moral understanding" is that may lead to unintended consequences that are very bad and very real. I could provide many examples; here is one that may fall into our mutual political wheelhouse. Many people would say that we should support Black Lives Matter because of a "moral understanding." What does that mean? For most uninformed liberals and leftists, it's essentially some nebulous appreciation of the wrongness of racism, etc. However, the claim that American police are disproportionately killing or targeting blacks is not supported by a rigorous statistical analysis (I teach math). The consequences of supporting the BLM narrative in the name of "moral understanding" has been disastrous for blacks, who suffer a disproportionate amount of violent crime and are thus experiencing an increase in murder rates following the pulling back of police officers who don't like being called racists nor want to risk going to jail for life in case their life-risking efforts to protect black crime victims blows up in their faces.
A lot of people seem to be viewing the events in Israel in very oversimplified terms. You argue that anti-semitism requires an Israeli state because many people want to kill Jews. Maybe so. But concentrating these targets of irrational hatred within a very concentrated area poses some additional risks to these people, and makes the decisions and policies of their leaders potentially very consequential. Hamas can't kill as many Jews if they were to attack the Upper West Side New York, let's say. Jews are more dispersed here.
The "moral understanding" you seem to be citing in this discussion, as far as I can tell, involves the same sort of nebulous appreciation of the evils of anti-semitism as BLM does for the evils of racism. It's a feeling . . . and a very gratifying feeling. I believe that religious maniacs are driving Israel into greater danger. There are many Muslims in the world who do not like to see their Islamic bretheren treated the way Palestinians are treated in Gaza and the West Bank. If not for a "moral understanding" about the evils of anti-semitism, maybe better policies would prevail in that region, leading to a two-state solution that would be better for everybody. But a "moral understanding" leads to our unconditional support for policies that only continue to prolong and exacerbate this situation, and put many Israeli (and their American supporters) at greater risk. We live in a world in which nukes are loose.
👏
Thank you for this thoughtful essay.
Spot on. Thank you.
Beautifully said. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for another well written and thoughtful article. I’m also enjoying reading the very well educated responses, and I’m equally as apalled by the clearly indoctrinated left, leaning responses. One particular writer has clearly never set foot out of the United States let alone been to Israel, or the West Bank (I have). The infiltration of these radical left views throughout all of our universities and colleges, and now seeping into our elementary, middle and high schools, is frightening. How can any society function on such a one-sided mentality?
JH:
The left is actually crazy, and are the political manifestation individuals with cluster B personality disorder. There is no room in their world for any "victims" other than themselves. It is a form of narcissistic personality disorder.
check out Ginger Coy's stack "concerning narcissism" she hits the nail on the head.
whatever the author thinks the "left" was or is doesnt change the fact that modern israel hasnt figured out how to discontinue their illegal occupation of millions of native Palestinian ppl. due to this failure, israel has instead decided to ethnically cleanse millions of Palestinians from their homeland via george custer style tacics. this is the value you want liberals to support? white people from US and europe slaughtering the native people of palestine who have been the majority population in palestine for 1000s of years? jews havent had any significant population in palestine since the 5th century, that is until truman allowed a small group of jewish activists to set up shop in palestine. we now know that was a huge mistake. truman couldnt have known israel would morph into a right wing fascist state that 75 years later continues to hold millions of native ppl in an endless apartheid and routinely starve them, burn their olive trees and murder their moms and dads.
WW2 was tough for a lot of people. yes, it was devastating for jewish ppl as well. but the natives of palestine had nothing to do with that.
from 2008 to 2020 , israel killed 6000 native arabs. during this same time palestians killed 250 israelis. all deaths are bad. but it cant be said the israelis are acting in self defence. israel continues its war against the native ppl becuase it has decided to rob the land rights of the natives. what israel is doing is illegal. so they poke the navives so effect desperate people to strike back so isalrael can claim to be the victim. no one is buying it, except right wing nuts. israel is the oppressor. israel can stop this war any time it wants. it doesnt want to. this is an ethnic cleansing campaign. israel wants the land. they need the natives gone and dont care how
Kyle, it is white liberals like yourself (I assume you're white with a name like Kyle Reese) that are the most ignorant and RACIST people in the history of planet earth. First of all, Israel is not made of just "White" Jews from Europe and the US. The majority of Israelis are now either mixed with or descended from Middle Eastern Jews from Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Yemen, Egypt, Afghanistan, Kurdistan and the Gulf Arab states.
The big problem with you White Liberal dummies (besides not being able to take your shit filled heads out of your asses) is that you assume Middle Easterners are either all Muslims and/or need to be coddled by you and your liberal intellectual friends, similar to the protection required by children from their parents. There has always been a continuous community of Jews in what is today called Israel, all the way through the end of Ottoman rule. There was also a large Jewish community in Safavid Persia, a Shia monarchy that carried out regular pogroms against its Jewish minority, a policy that continued well into the Qajar Dynasty.
After the state of Israel was formed in 1948, the Arab states, especially in places such as Iraq, either expelled or massacred their fellow brown Jews, forcing them to take refuge in Israel. In the aftermath of the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt in 2011, there were numerous attacks against the Churches of the Coptic Christian community to which there was little response from the West due to influence of Leftist shit brained academics, policy-makers, and so called journalists. When ISIS took control of huge swaths of Syria and Iraq in 2014, Christian minority communities such as the Assyrians and Chaldeans were massacred. This was on top of the rape/massacre/enslavement of the Yazidi population under ISIS control.
Unlike the Jews, the Christians and Yazidis did not control a territory for themselves in the Middle East, which left them at the mercy of Nietzschean leftist controlled governments in the West. Since the New Left has ZERO empathy for anyone except those they deem worthy of their victimhood narrative, these communities were left to perish. Suffice it to say that there has rarely been a more USELESS group of human beings in history than Western Liberals/Progressive. Now go Fuck Off and stop commenting on issues you know NOTHING about you little child.
Hahahaha, it's useless to argue with them. They're completely indoctrinated. Show them facts & you get emotion & victimhood back. To be a progressive, you have to suspend disbelief all the time-----they believe in verifiable lies from stem to stern. All of them. ALL PROGRESSIVES=SHIT FOR BRAINS
I agree dear Alice, but it"s time for us to start defecating on them the way they have been crapping on civilized norms of human behavior since the 60s. No mercy for Shit Brains ;)
Yes it's time to fight back and fight hard, I have had enough of that BS!!!! Time for them to understand that they are the most morally bankrupt people that have faced the earth since recent times!!!! It is time that we won't tolerate anymore all the lies and this bigotry on the Left!!!!!!
It is time to tell them to fuck off as they have poisoned enough years this earth with their BS!!!!!
Thank you ❤️ you just said everything I felt but could not articulate.
Anytime, wishing you all the best!
Thank heavens for eloquent people like MJ Javani and Jenny Holland !
Thank you, and may the heavens bless you as well my friend!
Javani - check your history. last tym any significant # of jews lived in palestine was 5th century, until truman set up a small outpost in 1945. so what if some small amount of jewish ppl have lived in this area? whats even the purpose of saying that? arabs have been the majority in palestine for past 1000s of years.
its also not relevant to list all the national origin of ppl who live israel. how does this argue anything? any person in any US city could throw a rock and said rock would be near ppl of even more diverse national origin. so what? the fact remains its whites from NY, LA Europe who are illegally kicking native pll off land they have no right to and performing ethnic cleansing. israelis are white colonists jist the same as other white colonists throughout history. thats not a liberal idea. thats the fact of whats occuring. your statements are the same tired propaganda israel has used to justify its illegal actions. i dont dispute israel has land rights. but they dont have a right to an endless war they unquestionably benefit from.
nothing in your lame screed of meaningless irrelevant info changes that. yes, before the internet israel was able to con ppl with all the meaningless facts you site.
the US tax payer has inherited the white elephant of israel. this isnt about sympathizing with one group over the next. its the reality that keeping millions of ppl in an apartheid situation for 55 years is wrong. ethnic cleansing is wrong. israeli occupation of west bank and gaza is wrong. israeli lamd grabs are illedgal and wrong. im a US citizen. i am paying for israeli crimes. im tired of doing that.
Just as a factual matter, without getting into your ideological assumptions, I would point out the obvious fact of black Jews from Ethiopia in Israel.
so what? israel is primarily white colonizers slaughterng the native ppl , like every other colonization effort throughout history. what israel is doing is ethnic cleansing of native ppl. its a genocide. the "i have a black friend" comment scores 20000 on a lameness scale of 10, just like all the other tired propaganda pro israel ppl use.
israel may have been an ok idea at some point. but they only know to make war. they dont know how to make peace.
Some remedial history lessons might be helpful, but I don't have much hope that you would deign to take them.
spare me your insults. what a joke. have you ever considered you havent gotten an accurate picture of this history since your hearing only one side of the story? i have no actual interest in this issue at all. i live in west US. your more likely to be full of crap than me
The Arabs started this war and I talk about the last century now and the Israelis will end it and the Israelis will win if you like it or not. Stop spreading your lies and fake ideology, it's disgusting, you morally bankrupt piece of shit that does not know what is right and wrong!!!!!!
You need to improve your history knowledge before writing such nonsense. I notice you haven’t uttered a word of regret over the barbarism displayed by the Hamas monsters but then with a brain the size of a walnut you wouldn’t know how to.
"I am extremely sorry for all those who die, as in all wars.
I am sorry even for the deaths of individual Israeli soldiers, and more so for all the innocents who died and are now dying.
But I will not condemn Hamas.
I do not condemn Hamas because the resistance of the Palestinian people is a reflex response to their slow genocide.
Yes, it is an inchoate and violent response. Of course, I wish it did not have innocent victims.
The people I do condemn are the political class internationally who, with one voice, put out statements supporting “Israel’s right to self-defence.” A right they grant to the oppressor but deny to the oppressed.
Those are the people who need to be condemned."
- Craig Murray
https://open.substack.com/pub/savageminds/p/now-we-have-your-attention?r=1knk1l&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
You are beyond help, you are basically a terrorist. Meaning evil.