The so-called smart professionals made the Tucker-Putin interview all about Tucker. It wasn't about Tucker. It was about Putin. What was he trying to tell us?
Sixty Courtrooms found that no evidence was submitted that showed anything like fraud. I do not know how you can ignore 60 court cases in 60 courts. This is not based on which media was reporting. The results of the court cases were on paper for all to see. Also, many cases were thrown out for a total lack of evidence and foolishness.
That is a convenient way to avoid any data you do not agree with. Reporting on 60 court cases would be hard to get wrong for any media site. What shenanigans are you referring to and how did those change the outcome of any election?
There is much more to discover Sarah. The election was not investigated beyond what may turn out to be some biased election officials and corrupt review boards. If the case on Georgia proceeds, there will be new evidence presented by the defense team. Be prepared. Those stale talking points scattered around the internet you all rely on to convince yourselves that everything was above board will be proven lies. There will be evidence of state and federal courts failing us in their duty to election integrity. Many of us wont be as stunned as I think you will be.
That last line... THIS!!! " I could very well be off the mark, but these comments did nothing to assuage my growing fear that Russia and China are playing a game of Risk and encircling a hugely enfeebled United States, while the so-called smart American media professionals are too distracted by their feelings about Tucker Carlson and his audience to even notice."
The MSM is at the point where they resemble a drunk being thrown out of a bar that tries to do as much damage as possible on the way out. Listen closely and you can hear glass breaking, wood cracking and clothes tearing. They are not winning any new converts. Losers all.
One of the best takes I've read about the interview.
If you'll pardon me, I've appended excerpts from a speech Putin gave to a Russian think-tank in early 2021. It has very little to do with the Ukraine or Tucker's interview, but a lot to do with "Saving Culture."
"...the crisis we are facing is conceptual and even civilisation-related. This is basically a crisis of approaches and principles that determine the very existence of humans on Earth... The question is where to move, what to give up, what to revise or adjust. In saying this, I am convinced that it is necessary to fight for real values, upholding them in every way...
The importance of a solid support in the sphere of morals, ethics and values is increasing dramatically in the modern fragile world. In point of fact, values are a product, a unique product of cultural and historical development of any nation. The mutual interlacing of nations definitely enriches them, openness expands their horizons and allows them to take a fresh look at their own traditions. But the process must be organic, and it can never be rapid. Any alien elements will be rejected anyway, possibly bluntly. Any attempts to force one’s values on others with an uncertain and unpredictable outcome can only further complicate a dramatic situation and usually produce the opposite reaction and an opposite from the intended result.
We look in amazement at the processes underway in the countries which have been traditionally looked at as the standard-bearers of progress. Of course, the social and cultural shocks that are taking place in the United States and Western Europe are none of our business; we are keeping out of this. Some people in the West believe that an aggressive elimination of entire pages from their own history, “reverse discrimination” against the majority in the interests of a minority, and the demand to give up the traditional notions of mother, father, family and even gender, they believe that all of these are the mileposts on the path towards social renewal.
...We have a different viewpoint, at least the overwhelming majority of Russian society – it would be more correct to put it this way – has a different opinion on this matter. We believe that we must rely on our own spiritual values, our historical tradition and the culture of our multiethnic nation.
The advocates of so-called ‘social progress’ believe they are introducing humanity to some kind of a new and better consciousness. ... their prescriptions are not new at all. It may come as a surprise to some people, but Russia has been there already. After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks, relying on the dogmas of Marx and Engels, also said that they would change existing ways and customs and not just political and economic ones, but the very notion of human morality and the foundations of a healthy society. The destruction of age-old values, religion and relations between people, up to and including the total rejection of family (we had that, too), encouragement to inform on loved ones – all this was proclaimed progress and, by the way, was widely supported around the world back then and was quite fashionable, same as today. By the way, the Bolsheviks were absolutely intolerant of opinions other than theirs.
This, I believe, should call to mind some of what we are witnessing now. Looking at what is happening in a number of Western countries, we are amazed to see the domestic practices, which we, fortunately, have left, I hope, in the distant past. The fight for equality and against discrimination has turned into aggressive dogmatism bordering on absurdity, when the works of the great authors of the past – such as Shakespeare – are no longer taught at schools or universities, because their ideas are believed to be backward. The classics are declared backward and ignorant of the importance of gender or race. In Hollywood memos are distributed about proper storytelling and how many characters of what colour or gender should be in a movie. This is even worse than the agitprop department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause, but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into ‘reverse discrimination’ that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin colour. I specifically asked my colleagues to find the following quote from Martin Luther King: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by their character.” This is the true value. However, things are turning out differently there. By the way, the absolute majority of Russian people do not think that the colour of a person’s skin or their gender is an important matter. Each of us is a human being. This is what matters.
In a number of Western countries, the debate over men’s and women’s rights has turned into a perfect phantasmagoria. Look, beware of going where the Bolsheviks once planned to go – not only communalising chickens, but also communalising women. One more step and you will be there."
Very interesting, but I don't know what to think when I read stuff like this. I am leery of Putin being presented as an anti-woke hero, because i feel like it's a trap set for those of us who are desperate for some sanity.
A eerily accurate assessment of the state of our culture;
Delivered by the least credible of sources;
To a group of his cronies, tho closely watched by the West;
Tucker's interview an echo.
So my takeaways?
1. Sadly, he has too good a sense of the intellectual and moral weakness of our elites. I know of no Western leader who could have penned an equally penetrating analysis of either Russia or China.
2. Unintentionally ironic - "Any attempts to force one’s values on others with an uncertain and unpredictable outcome can only further complicate a dramatic situation and usually produce the opposite reaction and an opposite from the intended result." NATO is now even more on Russia's doorstep - exactly what he didn't want to happen when he invaded Ukraine.
Yes -- the cracks are appearing. I suppose it was inevitable, they were the first group to gain prominence for their dissident views and it's only a matter of time before their audience grows disenchanted to some degree or another. There is has been an extremely high amount of infighting lately, it seems.
I agree with everything you've written, Jenny, but unlike you I paid no attention to the media's "analysis" of Tucker's interview with Putin. My primary concern, at this point, is not Russia's alliance with China (and China's alliance with Iran) so much as our own government's actions that seem bent on destroying the U.S. Do we have Chinese moles working within our CIA? Are Biden's advisors folks who have been paid off by China? Never in my life have I seen so much treasonous anti-American action coming from a presidential administration. I know a lot of folks think Biden wanted an open border in order to generate enough votes for himself in our upcoming election, but I have seen too many reports of military-aged Chinese men coming across the border and too many reports of criminals coming across the border. I see what's going on at our border as a soft invasion, but not even a soft invasion can happen if the "folks at the top" aren't allowing it to happen. The rot is within, but how can "we the people" do anything about that rot? The answer for me, personally, is surrendering that rot to God, asking that God's will be done here on Earth as it is in heaven; and I also continue "praying for those who persecute" the U.S. and the whole world. I believe all of these persecutors are, at their innermost core, still Children of God. Call me naive, but I still believe God's Light can heal the darkness within those who are committing so many unloving and unjust actions in this world now, which is why I keep praying for them, and all of humanity, each and every day.
Many of the Chinese entering through the southern border are fleeing Hong Kong so these are people who want freedom. You mention that supposedly Biden wants open border for voters, but those people are a long ways off from being able to vote.
I think Brett Weinstein did a very good job explaining how the typical economic migrants were mixing, as they came across the border, with a category he did not expect to see -- military aged males, Chinese, being housed together in camps that BW and his team were not allowed into.
Also, re: the 2020 -- no, no, it was not rigged, of course not! It was "saved" by a "conspiracy" of progressives and Chamber of Commerce/CEO types, who banded together to bend/break/ignore many, many voting regulations, the goal being to "fortify" the elections.
As reported in Time Magazine, quite smugly: "Trump was right." -- all quotes from this lengthy piece.
Wait, have you seen these guys? They don't look like down and out ordinary Chinese, straggling across the border. They are young, BUFF, with cropped haircuts and kit bags. They look like they've done 6 mos of hard military training. They look well-fed, rested, alert and focused. No women or children. Pay closer attn.
Where are their family members? Parents, wives, children etc…? We see way too many single young adult males illegally invading our borders. They hardly appear as though they are fleeing persecution. You can be willfully blind if you wish, but the rest of us are not going to deny our intellect and God given sensibilities.
In general, it is well known that those with the best chances of such a journey are young males who can work in physical labor type jobs. They will often send money home to their families. The journey is much scarier and more harmful for females. It is also well-known that China is cracking down on freedom in Hong Kong, putting dissidents in jail. The numbers coming from there are quite small in comparison with other places.
Respectfully, our government has a safe legal process for people fleeing persecution. There are existing laws that allow safer passage and true legal benefit to those willing to follow them. This is not some kind of heroic humanitarian rescue plan or the humanitarians would be boasting publicly about it. Instead it is purposefully covert and being funded by folks with questionable motives. Please don’t be naive about this. All the parts are moving so swiftly that states, towns and cities are screaming for federal help. This kind of invasion has never happened before and it is presently a full grown crisis.
I understand that too many are being allowed across to wait on asylum hearings that can take years to happen. It will take hundreds of more judges to get through the backlog and or to quickly rule so that the majority, who do not qualify for asylum, are quickly sent home. Still, desperate people will do most anything to reach safety.
In Oregon, you are registered to vote when you get a drivers license. Automatically. From the Oregon government website, “Even if you do not have documentation, you can now get a driver’s license in Oregon. Starting Jan. 1, 2021, people in Oregon are no longer required to provide proof of legal presence or citizenship to get a driver’s license. You do not need a Social Security number or a United States birth certificate.” It’s already set up and happening.
I know, I just don’t trust them. So many shenanigans with voting around 2020 and I hate to say that I think some of those tactics will take place with illegal immigrants as well, but I do. No sane country has an open border. And yet…
Plus, I think there are at least three states that if you have a drivers license, you can register to vote. And if they give illegal immigrants a drivers license, then that is illegal immigrants voting. Which is just wrong. I’m sure no other country does that.
Jenny, RIGHT ON.
Sixty Courtrooms found that no evidence was submitted that showed anything like fraud. I do not know how you can ignore 60 court cases in 60 courts. This is not based on which media was reporting. The results of the court cases were on paper for all to see. Also, many cases were thrown out for a total lack of evidence and foolishness.
Smart. Cogent. And SENSIBLE. Thanks
That is a convenient way to avoid any data you do not agree with. Reporting on 60 court cases would be hard to get wrong for any media site. What shenanigans are you referring to and how did those change the outcome of any election?
There is much more to discover Sarah. The election was not investigated beyond what may turn out to be some biased election officials and corrupt review boards. If the case on Georgia proceeds, there will be new evidence presented by the defense team. Be prepared. Those stale talking points scattered around the internet you all rely on to convince yourselves that everything was above board will be proven lies. There will be evidence of state and federal courts failing us in their duty to election integrity. Many of us wont be as stunned as I think you will be.
Well said, Elizabeth.
That last line... THIS!!! " I could very well be off the mark, but these comments did nothing to assuage my growing fear that Russia and China are playing a game of Risk and encircling a hugely enfeebled United States, while the so-called smart American media professionals are too distracted by their feelings about Tucker Carlson and his audience to even notice."
The MSM is at the point where they resemble a drunk being thrown out of a bar that tries to do as much damage as possible on the way out. Listen closely and you can hear glass breaking, wood cracking and clothes tearing. They are not winning any new converts. Losers all.
Lol very apt analogy.
One of the best takes I've read about the interview.
If you'll pardon me, I've appended excerpts from a speech Putin gave to a Russian think-tank in early 2021. It has very little to do with the Ukraine or Tucker's interview, but a lot to do with "Saving Culture."
"...the crisis we are facing is conceptual and even civilisation-related. This is basically a crisis of approaches and principles that determine the very existence of humans on Earth... The question is where to move, what to give up, what to revise or adjust. In saying this, I am convinced that it is necessary to fight for real values, upholding them in every way...
The importance of a solid support in the sphere of morals, ethics and values is increasing dramatically in the modern fragile world. In point of fact, values are a product, a unique product of cultural and historical development of any nation. The mutual interlacing of nations definitely enriches them, openness expands their horizons and allows them to take a fresh look at their own traditions. But the process must be organic, and it can never be rapid. Any alien elements will be rejected anyway, possibly bluntly. Any attempts to force one’s values on others with an uncertain and unpredictable outcome can only further complicate a dramatic situation and usually produce the opposite reaction and an opposite from the intended result.
We look in amazement at the processes underway in the countries which have been traditionally looked at as the standard-bearers of progress. Of course, the social and cultural shocks that are taking place in the United States and Western Europe are none of our business; we are keeping out of this. Some people in the West believe that an aggressive elimination of entire pages from their own history, “reverse discrimination” against the majority in the interests of a minority, and the demand to give up the traditional notions of mother, father, family and even gender, they believe that all of these are the mileposts on the path towards social renewal.
...We have a different viewpoint, at least the overwhelming majority of Russian society – it would be more correct to put it this way – has a different opinion on this matter. We believe that we must rely on our own spiritual values, our historical tradition and the culture of our multiethnic nation.
The advocates of so-called ‘social progress’ believe they are introducing humanity to some kind of a new and better consciousness. ... their prescriptions are not new at all. It may come as a surprise to some people, but Russia has been there already. After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks, relying on the dogmas of Marx and Engels, also said that they would change existing ways and customs and not just political and economic ones, but the very notion of human morality and the foundations of a healthy society. The destruction of age-old values, religion and relations between people, up to and including the total rejection of family (we had that, too), encouragement to inform on loved ones – all this was proclaimed progress and, by the way, was widely supported around the world back then and was quite fashionable, same as today. By the way, the Bolsheviks were absolutely intolerant of opinions other than theirs.
This, I believe, should call to mind some of what we are witnessing now. Looking at what is happening in a number of Western countries, we are amazed to see the domestic practices, which we, fortunately, have left, I hope, in the distant past. The fight for equality and against discrimination has turned into aggressive dogmatism bordering on absurdity, when the works of the great authors of the past – such as Shakespeare – are no longer taught at schools or universities, because their ideas are believed to be backward. The classics are declared backward and ignorant of the importance of gender or race. In Hollywood memos are distributed about proper storytelling and how many characters of what colour or gender should be in a movie. This is even worse than the agitprop department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause, but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into ‘reverse discrimination’ that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin colour. I specifically asked my colleagues to find the following quote from Martin Luther King: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by their character.” This is the true value. However, things are turning out differently there. By the way, the absolute majority of Russian people do not think that the colour of a person’s skin or their gender is an important matter. Each of us is a human being. This is what matters.
In a number of Western countries, the debate over men’s and women’s rights has turned into a perfect phantasmagoria. Look, beware of going where the Bolsheviks once planned to go – not only communalising chickens, but also communalising women. One more step and you will be there."
Very interesting, but I don't know what to think when I read stuff like this. I am leery of Putin being presented as an anti-woke hero, because i feel like it's a trap set for those of us who are desperate for some sanity.
A eerily accurate assessment of the state of our culture;
Delivered by the least credible of sources;
To a group of his cronies, tho closely watched by the West;
Tucker's interview an echo.
So my takeaways?
1. Sadly, he has too good a sense of the intellectual and moral weakness of our elites. I know of no Western leader who could have penned an equally penetrating analysis of either Russia or China.
2. Unintentionally ironic - "Any attempts to force one’s values on others with an uncertain and unpredictable outcome can only further complicate a dramatic situation and usually produce the opposite reaction and an opposite from the intended result." NATO is now even more on Russia's doorstep - exactly what he didn't want to happen when he invaded Ukraine.
Thank you, John. This was very educational.
Brilliant, absolutely...
Thank you very much, Jenny.
Another writer whose work I also like recently wrote an op-ed in response to the interview. He'd spent some time in Russia and had another interesting perspective: https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/lytle-why-russians-like-putin/52277
Thanks for sharing that! I read it -- very interesting.
Thank you. Just finished reading this opinion piece. Very worthwhile reading!
Thank you shelley
Spot on.
Great piece.
They served a good purpose for a time, but I am becoming increasingly disillusioned with the "anti-woke" set.
Yes -- the cracks are appearing. I suppose it was inevitable, they were the first group to gain prominence for their dissident views and it's only a matter of time before their audience grows disenchanted to some degree or another. There is has been an extremely high amount of infighting lately, it seems.
This is a really good response to the Carlson/Putin interview. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
I agree with everything you've written, Jenny, but unlike you I paid no attention to the media's "analysis" of Tucker's interview with Putin. My primary concern, at this point, is not Russia's alliance with China (and China's alliance with Iran) so much as our own government's actions that seem bent on destroying the U.S. Do we have Chinese moles working within our CIA? Are Biden's advisors folks who have been paid off by China? Never in my life have I seen so much treasonous anti-American action coming from a presidential administration. I know a lot of folks think Biden wanted an open border in order to generate enough votes for himself in our upcoming election, but I have seen too many reports of military-aged Chinese men coming across the border and too many reports of criminals coming across the border. I see what's going on at our border as a soft invasion, but not even a soft invasion can happen if the "folks at the top" aren't allowing it to happen. The rot is within, but how can "we the people" do anything about that rot? The answer for me, personally, is surrendering that rot to God, asking that God's will be done here on Earth as it is in heaven; and I also continue "praying for those who persecute" the U.S. and the whole world. I believe all of these persecutors are, at their innermost core, still Children of God. Call me naive, but I still believe God's Light can heal the darkness within those who are committing so many unloving and unjust actions in this world now, which is why I keep praying for them, and all of humanity, each and every day.
Beautifully said. Thank you.
It's so shocking, isn't it? I think my views are very similar to those you express in this comment.
Many of the Chinese entering through the southern border are fleeing Hong Kong so these are people who want freedom. You mention that supposedly Biden wants open border for voters, but those people are a long ways off from being able to vote.
I think Brett Weinstein did a very good job explaining how the typical economic migrants were mixing, as they came across the border, with a category he did not expect to see -- military aged males, Chinese, being housed together in camps that BW and his team were not allowed into.
Also, re: the 2020 -- no, no, it was not rigged, of course not! It was "saved" by a "conspiracy" of progressives and Chamber of Commerce/CEO types, who banded together to bend/break/ignore many, many voting regulations, the goal being to "fortify" the elections.
As reported in Time Magazine, quite smugly: "Trump was right." -- all quotes from this lengthy piece.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Wait, have you seen these guys? They don't look like down and out ordinary Chinese, straggling across the border. They are young, BUFF, with cropped haircuts and kit bags. They look like they've done 6 mos of hard military training. They look well-fed, rested, alert and focused. No women or children. Pay closer attn.
Where are their family members? Parents, wives, children etc…? We see way too many single young adult males illegally invading our borders. They hardly appear as though they are fleeing persecution. You can be willfully blind if you wish, but the rest of us are not going to deny our intellect and God given sensibilities.
In general, it is well known that those with the best chances of such a journey are young males who can work in physical labor type jobs. They will often send money home to their families. The journey is much scarier and more harmful for females. It is also well-known that China is cracking down on freedom in Hong Kong, putting dissidents in jail. The numbers coming from there are quite small in comparison with other places.
Respectfully, our government has a safe legal process for people fleeing persecution. There are existing laws that allow safer passage and true legal benefit to those willing to follow them. This is not some kind of heroic humanitarian rescue plan or the humanitarians would be boasting publicly about it. Instead it is purposefully covert and being funded by folks with questionable motives. Please don’t be naive about this. All the parts are moving so swiftly that states, towns and cities are screaming for federal help. This kind of invasion has never happened before and it is presently a full grown crisis.
I understand that too many are being allowed across to wait on asylum hearings that can take years to happen. It will take hundreds of more judges to get through the backlog and or to quickly rule so that the majority, who do not qualify for asylum, are quickly sent home. Still, desperate people will do most anything to reach safety.
Long way off? Don’t kid yourself.
They would first have to become a citizen which is a long process.
Dems will give them credit Cards, driver’s licenses and set them loose.
That does not mean you can vote.
In Oregon, you are registered to vote when you get a drivers license. Automatically. From the Oregon government website, “Even if you do not have documentation, you can now get a driver’s license in Oregon. Starting Jan. 1, 2021, people in Oregon are no longer required to provide proof of legal presence or citizenship to get a driver’s license. You do not need a Social Security number or a United States birth certificate.” It’s already set up and happening.
I know, I just don’t trust them. So many shenanigans with voting around 2020 and I hate to say that I think some of those tactics will take place with illegal immigrants as well, but I do. No sane country has an open border. And yet…
Plus, I think there are at least three states that if you have a drivers license, you can register to vote. And if they give illegal immigrants a drivers license, then that is illegal immigrants voting. Which is just wrong. I’m sure no other country does that.
I have seen numerous comments in the media about the Russia-China collusion. Basically that China is using Russia while waiting to pounce.
Good article and an interesting take .