The description of what she was required to do, such as critique her own genitalia and write a "sexual autobiography," sounds like the professor is using the class as opportunity to indulge in his own weird fetishes.
In an era where it's considered borderline sexual harassment for a man to compliment a female colleague on her appearance, how on earth is it considered acceptable for a professor to demand that students provide him with explicit material that he is likely using for his own spank bank?
Exactly! The absolute chaos of our contemporary morality. Girls are encouraged to view harmless talk as the same as rape but also are participating in the most extreme sexual excess that we have seen since the advent of Christianity. Make it make sense.
I recently watched the Netflix series on Fred and Rose West, and one of their neighbors apparently saw some of the — ahem — irregularities in their house, used to sexually torture and murder young women, but she kept repeating how important it was to her not to “judge” them,, so she never told anyone about what she saw. Perhaps if she had, some of those young women might be alive today.
I've seen the thumbnail for that show on Netflix and I can't decide if I want to watch it or not....But yes, basically in any abusive situation there is an enabler there somewhere.
Jesuits have their own problems and generally don't have time to micromanage every graduate and professional school in a Jesuit university. Therefore, the contact between even administrators and faculty let alone students with Jesuits tends to be quite limited. I suspect that what was going on in this school was coming from the counseling school itself rather than from the Jesuits, but I could be wrong since not all Jesuits are always models of good judgment. This young lady is performing a valuable service by going public with this craziness. It's one more sign of the decline of Western Civilization as we race ever closer to the return of Jesus Christ.
Jesuits should control the curricula of the courses, especially the ones on sexuality. This is not "micromanaging". If they "don't have time", they should not run universities. Unfortunately the Jesuits who run this university seem to care more about profits than about God.
The reality these days is that, in many cases, there is not even a Jesuit as President of a Jesuit university. "Jesuit" university often means a Jesuit heritage with a remnant of a Jesuit presence (often some old guy in campus ministry and some professors who want to teach their subject and not get into administration). A Jesuit university is not the tight ship that some imagine and, even if it was, not every Jesuit is wise. There need to be other safeguards to prevent the sorts of things described in this counseling program and they have to be done in such a way that they are not overbroad nitpicking good professors along with reining in the bad ones. I'm not an expert on how to do this but a lot of universities (not just Jesuit) don't seem to be doing a great job of this to put it mildly.
Thank you for explaining what "Jesuit" universities are like in the US. The situation is probably similar in most Catholic schools and universities in the West. I remember visiting a French Catholic high school in the 1990s - the only Catholic aspect seemed to be the presence of a few nuns among the teachers. It is very sad that such schools and universities so often don't differ in any significant way from the non-Catholic ones.
Jesuits are also famous (or infamous, depending on who you are talking to) for their left-leaning, social justice, liberation theology ways. Having said that, this is totally beyond the pale and is absolutely an unacceptable situation that the Church SHOULD deal with. (Not that they will.)
I did not know this…but as a person who did a masters in counseling and human services at a Jesuit university (not the one in the article) it makes sense. “White privilege” was pushed 30 years ago when I attended, as were other liberal oddities.
However, commitment to social justice and/or liberation theology definitely - and fortunately - does not have to go in pair with the belief that sexuality should be about transgressing "traditional" norms.
This is shocking and at a Jesuit school! I am really wondering if the world has gone mad. No wonder we have depraved deviants proudly marching along in parades and children are now no longer protected from these deviants. I had trouble reading this, it is so upsetting.
On of the best descriptions of how evil works is in the Book of Job (sorry you'll know it well, Jenny) when God asks Satan what he's been doing. KJV 'Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.' Brought up in the atheist ascendancy I've long explained bad things - to myself and others - in economic, social and psychological language. I confidently eschewed the idea of a conscious supernatural agent spreading evil. Reading Naomi Epps Best's 'open letter' (may it be widely noted) I revert to Job rather than the myriad secular explanations for the evil she describes.
I've never been much of an "activist" for my own point of view, but I'm getting closer to becoming one each day. This kind of insanity calls for us normies to rise up and get loud. There is a saying that keeps popping up on social media that is something like "Satan doesn't even bother to hide himself any longer, and yet we still don't see him." Your article today reminds me of that.
I can understand having to watch a bit of porn for a therapist able to understand and address the addiction or misuse. But what the class required sounds way beyond “teaching material”. The invasive & inappropriate questions about your own sexuality are between you and your own therapist, if it’s even a requirement any more to be in some therapy yourself to complete a degree in therapy.
I think all colleges, including religious colleges, have become hopelessly woke. My own experience at UC Santa Barbara was fairly useless, even in 1972-76. I went on to have a totally divergent & successful career in advertising, though working on the college newspaper & being yearbook editor helped me get into the profession. I have a degree in History.
I know what you mean, but if you listen to the livestream linked above, the other therapists on it were saying that actually, for therapeutic purposes, none of these things she was made to do are valuable or necessary. In particular because they were so extreme.
I would stipulate this goes even beyond woke into perversion. Given events over the last half century, one would think ANY Catholic institution would immediately root out this abuse, not advise students to pray on it.
“ …. empty transgression and boundary shattering is BAD FOR SOCIETY. It creates delusion, misery, and breaks the minds of children.” YES!! It’s all sickening, but we need know. No more shutting our eyes, plugging our ears, and humming. 😔
A friend of mine who was a Jesuit was run out of his order because he was too conservative for them! I know human sexuality has been studied more in the last few decades and more of it is no longer taboo or considered a mental disorder but come on we have gone too far. And I really wonder if it more male dominance forcing women to be more sexualized for their gratification there isn’t anything wrong with consenting adults but even then.
I was in a quandary over hitting “like” lest it imply I’m okay with this insanity.
Best we can do is hope for backlash and recalibration before God decides to run the current batch down the garbage disposal as He’s done several times in the past, but it’s not looking good. Or, maybe we’re edging up on the End Times.
I can't imagine going through with a course like this, even at my most pornsick and you-do-you.
It really is a spiritual emergency, and an age in which those people and institutions you'd normally turn to for guidance and sorting out, hand you instead more weapons with which to harm yourself and others. And call it normal, and acceptance. Luckily, it seems to also be an age where individuals all over are deciding to put their feet down, and seek out sanity regardless. I think if we ever have a restoration of some kind of normalcy, it will come from the bottom up. Because it sure ain't coming from the Jesuit colleges
I love this comment. "Days without Jesuit nonsense: zero."👏
I'm curious to know what you are referring to when you say even at your most pornsick and you-do-you.
And also, yes, I totally, TOTALLY agree, any return to sanity will come from the bottom up. Unless of course it comes -- like my commentators above say -- from the Big Guy Upstairs, Sodom & Gomorra or End Days style.
To your last point, I think it might be both! I would not have expected my journey, which began in dark spaces where I and other wounded people sought comfort in gender, fetish, and all manner of self harm disguised as care, to end in a conversion to Catholicism. But it did, and it's been a hard but gratifying journey to heal from all that. I've found along the way, that while there are good shepherds and leaders out there, they're quite exceptional, and I've gotten the greatest guidance and inspiration from regular people, journeying along just like me. I think it's kind of awesome, all these beautiful oddball saints coming out of this twisted age, but it does sometimes feel lonely when you, for example, don't know if you go to a priest to report stuff like this sexuality class, what sort of reaction you're gonna get
The description of what she was required to do, such as critique her own genitalia and write a "sexual autobiography," sounds like the professor is using the class as opportunity to indulge in his own weird fetishes.
In an era where it's considered borderline sexual harassment for a man to compliment a female colleague on her appearance, how on earth is it considered acceptable for a professor to demand that students provide him with explicit material that he is likely using for his own spank bank?
Exactly! The absolute chaos of our contemporary morality. Girls are encouraged to view harmless talk as the same as rape but also are participating in the most extreme sexual excess that we have seen since the advent of Christianity. Make it make sense.
The pornographers have the power. Porn viewing data is gold for extortionists.
I recently watched the Netflix series on Fred and Rose West, and one of their neighbors apparently saw some of the — ahem — irregularities in their house, used to sexually torture and murder young women, but she kept repeating how important it was to her not to “judge” them,, so she never told anyone about what she saw. Perhaps if she had, some of those young women might be alive today.
Toxic empathy.
I've seen the thumbnail for that show on Netflix and I can't decide if I want to watch it or not....But yes, basically in any abusive situation there is an enabler there somewhere.
Jesuits have their own problems and generally don't have time to micromanage every graduate and professional school in a Jesuit university. Therefore, the contact between even administrators and faculty let alone students with Jesuits tends to be quite limited. I suspect that what was going on in this school was coming from the counseling school itself rather than from the Jesuits, but I could be wrong since not all Jesuits are always models of good judgment. This young lady is performing a valuable service by going public with this craziness. It's one more sign of the decline of Western Civilization as we race ever closer to the return of Jesus Christ.
Jesuits should control the curricula of the courses, especially the ones on sexuality. This is not "micromanaging". If they "don't have time", they should not run universities. Unfortunately the Jesuits who run this university seem to care more about profits than about God.
The reality these days is that, in many cases, there is not even a Jesuit as President of a Jesuit university. "Jesuit" university often means a Jesuit heritage with a remnant of a Jesuit presence (often some old guy in campus ministry and some professors who want to teach their subject and not get into administration). A Jesuit university is not the tight ship that some imagine and, even if it was, not every Jesuit is wise. There need to be other safeguards to prevent the sorts of things described in this counseling program and they have to be done in such a way that they are not overbroad nitpicking good professors along with reining in the bad ones. I'm not an expert on how to do this but a lot of universities (not just Jesuit) don't seem to be doing a great job of this to put it mildly.
Thank you for explaining what "Jesuit" universities are like in the US. The situation is probably similar in most Catholic schools and universities in the West. I remember visiting a French Catholic high school in the 1990s - the only Catholic aspect seemed to be the presence of a few nuns among the teachers. It is very sad that such schools and universities so often don't differ in any significant way from the non-Catholic ones.
Jesuits are also famous (or infamous, depending on who you are talking to) for their left-leaning, social justice, liberation theology ways. Having said that, this is totally beyond the pale and is absolutely an unacceptable situation that the Church SHOULD deal with. (Not that they will.)
I did not know this…but as a person who did a masters in counseling and human services at a Jesuit university (not the one in the article) it makes sense. “White privilege” was pushed 30 years ago when I attended, as were other liberal oddities.
However, commitment to social justice and/or liberation theology definitely - and fortunately - does not have to go in pair with the belief that sexuality should be about transgressing "traditional" norms.
This is shocking and at a Jesuit school! I am really wondering if the world has gone mad. No wonder we have depraved deviants proudly marching along in parades and children are now no longer protected from these deviants. I had trouble reading this, it is so upsetting.
It is particularly upsetting, isn't it?
On of the best descriptions of how evil works is in the Book of Job (sorry you'll know it well, Jenny) when God asks Satan what he's been doing. KJV 'Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.' Brought up in the atheist ascendancy I've long explained bad things - to myself and others - in economic, social and psychological language. I confidently eschewed the idea of a conscious supernatural agent spreading evil. Reading Naomi Epps Best's 'open letter' (may it be widely noted) I revert to Job rather than the myriad secular explanations for the evil she describes.
Beautifully said.
I've never been much of an "activist" for my own point of view, but I'm getting closer to becoming one each day. This kind of insanity calls for us normies to rise up and get loud. There is a saying that keeps popping up on social media that is something like "Satan doesn't even bother to hide himself any longer, and yet we still don't see him." Your article today reminds me of that.
Act now. Everyone. Letters, not email or texts to:
Bishop Oscar Cantú
Diocese of San José
1150 North First St.,Suite 100
San Jose, CA 95112
Julie Sullivan, President
Santa Clara University
500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053
Don’t bash Jesuits (unless the prof is a priest, doubtful), focus instead on the lesson’s goal—uplifting or degrading.
Same!!!
I can understand having to watch a bit of porn for a therapist able to understand and address the addiction or misuse. But what the class required sounds way beyond “teaching material”. The invasive & inappropriate questions about your own sexuality are between you and your own therapist, if it’s even a requirement any more to be in some therapy yourself to complete a degree in therapy.
I think all colleges, including religious colleges, have become hopelessly woke. My own experience at UC Santa Barbara was fairly useless, even in 1972-76. I went on to have a totally divergent & successful career in advertising, though working on the college newspaper & being yearbook editor helped me get into the profession. I have a degree in History.
I know what you mean, but if you listen to the livestream linked above, the other therapists on it were saying that actually, for therapeutic purposes, none of these things she was made to do are valuable or necessary. In particular because they were so extreme.
I would stipulate this goes even beyond woke into perversion. Given events over the last half century, one would think ANY Catholic institution would immediately root out this abuse, not advise students to pray on it.
Woke is based in perversion.
“ …. empty transgression and boundary shattering is BAD FOR SOCIETY. It creates delusion, misery, and breaks the minds of children.” YES!! It’s all sickening, but we need know. No more shutting our eyes, plugging our ears, and humming. 😔
A friend of mine who was a Jesuit was run out of his order because he was too conservative for them! I know human sexuality has been studied more in the last few decades and more of it is no longer taboo or considered a mental disorder but come on we have gone too far. And I really wonder if it more male dominance forcing women to be more sexualized for their gratification there isn’t anything wrong with consenting adults but even then.
Oh to the hell no!
I was in a quandary over hitting “like” lest it imply I’m okay with this insanity.
Best we can do is hope for backlash and recalibration before God decides to run the current batch down the garbage disposal as He’s done several times in the past, but it’s not looking good. Or, maybe we’re edging up on the End Times.
We are definitely in the End Times although many find that an extreme statement.
I don’t see anything extreme about it. I’m not walking around with a sandwich board about the Apocalypse, but the Universe is full of surprises.
Your last line is correct. Resources are available at christinprophecy.org.
Maybe the Jesuits are attempting to normalize “previously thought as aberrant behavior” so they stop getting sued….🙄
the Jesuits went astray here in Seattle about 20 years ago. This is an order that should be suppressed and abolished.
Again.
I couldn’t read past the first paragraph, but thank you for writing about this horror.
Disturbing is an understatement.
Days without Jesuit nonsense: zero.
I can't imagine going through with a course like this, even at my most pornsick and you-do-you.
It really is a spiritual emergency, and an age in which those people and institutions you'd normally turn to for guidance and sorting out, hand you instead more weapons with which to harm yourself and others. And call it normal, and acceptance. Luckily, it seems to also be an age where individuals all over are deciding to put their feet down, and seek out sanity regardless. I think if we ever have a restoration of some kind of normalcy, it will come from the bottom up. Because it sure ain't coming from the Jesuit colleges
I love this comment. "Days without Jesuit nonsense: zero."👏
I'm curious to know what you are referring to when you say even at your most pornsick and you-do-you.
And also, yes, I totally, TOTALLY agree, any return to sanity will come from the bottom up. Unless of course it comes -- like my commentators above say -- from the Big Guy Upstairs, Sodom & Gomorra or End Days style.
To your last point, I think it might be both! I would not have expected my journey, which began in dark spaces where I and other wounded people sought comfort in gender, fetish, and all manner of self harm disguised as care, to end in a conversion to Catholicism. But it did, and it's been a hard but gratifying journey to heal from all that. I've found along the way, that while there are good shepherds and leaders out there, they're quite exceptional, and I've gotten the greatest guidance and inspiration from regular people, journeying along just like me. I think it's kind of awesome, all these beautiful oddball saints coming out of this twisted age, but it does sometimes feel lonely when you, for example, don't know if you go to a priest to report stuff like this sexuality class, what sort of reaction you're gonna get
I would really be interested in talking to you about this topic. Either on or off the record. Would you be willing to?
Sure!
Sick mind, sick school.